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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"The FDA must take some blame here - 80 million people were prescribed this drug 99% of which suffered no side effects and probably enjoyed a much improved standard of 'living' i.e. reduced pain. Merck did hide some the side effects but what cannot be contested the drug did a lot more good than it did harm. [u If you asked the majority of the patients, knowing the potential side effects and the state of their health, I bet most would still have opted for the treatment.[/u'"
As is the case with most drugs and most patients. The type of drugs I am on at the moment list the side effects as TB and lymphoma to name a few. Do I worry, of course I do but without these drugs I would be literally bed bound with joints that completely (and literally) fall apart. I also take a drug called methotrexate which is a chemotherapy drug but I don't have cancer, so you can imagine the side effects of this powerful drug.
When I was on my clinical trial the nurses told me that if anyone had anything wrong with them, developed lymphoma or other cancers, even if it was something mild like headaches, then the drug company by law has to list them as a side effect of that drug whether it was or not, as the patient was using the drug when they got that illness.
I would only go back on Vioxx if my current anti inflamatory caused me problems and there was nothing else suitable. Taking powerful drugs like this is a gamble in so many ways. It may or may not work for your condition and you may or may not experience side effects. I suppose currently, I am very lucky in that the only side effect from any drugs at the moment seems to be high blood pressure which is controlled by medication, which in turn has side effects The RA drug I am on now is fairly new on the market, so we'll have to see in 10, 15, 20 years time what the long term side effects are. I look at it from this angle; if the effect of the medication outweighs the side effects then carry on, if the side effects are just too much and are making you just as ill, come off.
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| Quote ="BobbyD"www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10573027/Arthur-Scargill-tried-to-buy-his-London-council-flat-under-Tory-right-to-buy-scheme.html
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No point in cutting your nose off to spite your face.
If it was costing the NUM 34 grand a year in rent he'd probably have ended up saving them a fortune in the long term with his tenancy discount to buy.
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| Quote ="BobbyD"It was 13 years of Labour, it just felt longer.
However, she did win, the only way she'd have lost is if she'd fallen down an open mine shaft in '84. She didn't, she beat the miners and Labour, it was her own party who showed her the door and when Labour won in '97, they lauded her and paraded her on the steps of No. 10.'"
She beat labour by gifting them 13 years in power? And a party so unelectable even a global financial crisis couldn’t get them a majority? The Tory party is so hated in large swathes of the UK it barely exists, it is shrinking to its heartlands and having to hide behind xenophobia and invented enemies just to keep itself relevant.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"She beat labour by gifting them 13 years in power? And a party so unelectable even a global financial crisis couldn’t get them a majority? The Tory party is so hated in large swathes of the UK it barely exists, it is shrinking to its heartlands and having to hide behind xenophobia and invented enemies just to keep itself relevant.'"
And yet, despite your strident accusations is expected to win the next Election.....
Perhaps a period of quiet reflection is called for in the Smokey abode?
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| Quote ="rumpelstiltskin"And yet, despite your strident accusations is expected to win the next Election.....
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expected by whom? even most right-wing organisations have been predicting a labour win for a year or so.
thats why Cameron is throwing a fortune at Lynton Crosby and his dog-whistle policies. Even Michael Ashcroft has Labour winning a majority of about 60 seats.
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| Quote ="rumpelstiltskin"And yet, despite your strident accusations is expected to win the next Election.....
Perhaps a period of quiet reflection is called for in the Smokey abode?'"
That's right up there with some of the stupid polls Ajay has come up with.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It is now historical fact that Thatcher lied, and communities died. It is fact they danced in the streets when she died. That is her legacy, When you and I are gone and historians look back, they will see a warmongering, poor hating, lying Prime Minister whose citizens danced on her grave, who made her party so nasty, and so hated that even a Global financial crisis and 17 years of Labour couldnt get her party re-elected. She will be the bogeyman of history, a modern King John. She may have won that battle, but she certainly lost the war and no amount of revisionism will change that.'"
You were told this was rubbish last week. You had no response.
You have your opinion. Don't make it is shared by the majority when it is not.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"She beat labour by gifting them 13 years in power? And a party so unelectable even a global financial crisis couldn’t get them a majority? The Tory party is so hated in large swathes of the UK it barely exists, it is shrinking to its heartlands and having to hide behind xenophobia and invented enemies just to keep itself relevant.'"
So hated that Labour have only averaged a mere 3-6 point lead in various opinion polls?
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| I see he tried to buy his flat under RTB, what a great socialist!
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| Quote ="Ajw71"So hated that Labour have only averaged a mere 3-6 point lead in various opinion polls?'"
Doesn't that conflict with what you have been claiming elsewhere on this forum?
And your links and answers are awaited most eagerly on the fracking thread.
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| Quote ="Standee"I see he tried to buy his flat under RTB, what a great socialist!
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If you can't beat them....
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| Oh look: he's run away again before posting links to support his claims, and answering questions.
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If you can't beat them....'"
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| Quote ="Ajw71"You were told this was rubbish last week. You had no response.
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i did have a response, you pointed to a set of polls, i pointed out the flaws with them and that these had been pointed out before, we all laughed.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"So hated that Labour have only averaged a mere 3-6 point lead in various opinion polls?'"
So hated that even the Tory party themselves have them winning a majority of 60 seats.
The same Tory party who couldnt even win a majority on the back of a global financial crisis.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"That's right up there with some of the stupid polls Ajay has come up with.
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It's simply an opinion. One that I'm prepared to back with a cheeky pound or two at 7/2 from Ladbrooks, which are remarkably good odds, if any of the positive economic predictions for the UK over the next two years are correct. Gideon will then have elbow room for some sweeteners to dangle before the electorate, and as they are already around 50 seats in front of Labour in this Parliament, I don't see Red Ed being able to close that gap, far less reverse it.
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| Quote ="rumpelstiltskin"It's simply an opinion. One that I'm prepared to back with a cheeky pound or two at 7/2 from Ladbrooks, which are remarkably good odds, if any of the positive economic predictions for the UK over the next two years are correct. Gideon will then have elbow room for some sweeteners to dangle before the electorate, and as they are already around 50 seats in front of Labour in this Parliament, I don't see Red Ed being able to close that gap, far less reverse it.
Job done for another 5 years.'"
If the tories couldn’t get in in 2010, they wont get in after 5 years of austerity, however many sweetners they dangle. If UKIP make any strides at all, that will come from the Tory vote, not taking from Labour. The Lib Dems are also likely to lose huge amounts of votes for letting the Tory policies they let in, in, these will go to Labour not to the Tories.
The Tories are very very worried, that’s why we are seeing this ridiculous nonsense about Europe and Immigration. They are desperate to try and appeal to some of the UKIP nutters and also scare a few in to voting.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"If the tories couldn’t get in in 2010, they wont get in after 5 years of austerity, however many sweetners they dangle. If UKIP make any strides at all, that will come from the Tory vote, not taking from Labour. The Lib Dems are also likely to lose huge amounts of votes for letting the Tory policies they let in, in, these will go to Labour not to the Tories.
The Tories are very very worried, that’s why we are seeing this ridiculous nonsense about Europe and Immigration. They are desperate to try and appeal to some of the UKIP nutters and also scare a few in to voting.'"
Much truth in that - although when push come to shove will the voter really vote for red ED and Balls up?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"So hated that even the Tory party themselves have them winning a majority of 60 seats.
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You seem to just repeat things over and over, so I will do the same.
The Tories are so hated and pathetic that Labour can only muster a mere 3-6 point poll lead.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA" If UKIP make any strides at all, that will come from the Tory vote, not taking from Labour. The Lib Dems are also likely to lose huge amounts of votes for letting the Tory policies they let in, in, these will go to Labour not to the Tories.'"
UKIP will probably take votes of all parties. To say they will only take votes from the Tories is simplistic.
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The Tories are very very worried, that’s why we are seeing this ridiculous nonsense about Europe and Immigration. They are desperate to try and appeal to some of the UKIP nutters and also scare a few in to voting.'"
To dismiss peoples genuine concerns about Europe / Immigration as nonsense is a very wrong.
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| It's looking like a worryingly comfortable Tory majority to me. UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but come the general election most of those people will vote Tory, especially as the Tory party will continue to talk tough on Europe. They've managed to get away with pretending to be anti-Europe for 30 years despite being pro-Europe. They'll do so again. As I have said umpteen times and someone has just said above, Labour's leadership will make them unelectable.
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| Quote ="Dally"It's looking like a worryingly comfortable Tory majority to me. UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but come the general election most of those people will vote Tory, especially as the Tory party will continue to talk tough on Europe. THey've managed to get away with pretending to be ant-Europe for 30 years despite being pro-Europe. They'll do so again. As I have said umpteen times and someone has just said above, Labour's leadership will make them unelectable.'"
As I said on another thread, Osborne today started the PR machine rolling with his covert attack on Cable and his overt attack on Labour and despite spinning the last five years of depressed world economies so that it appears to be all Gordon Browns fault, he got away with it and had his soundbites all repeated verbatim.
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| Quote ="Dally"It's looking like a worryingly comfortable Tory majority to me. UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but come the general election most of those people will vote Tory, especially as the Tory party will continue to talk tough on Europe. They've managed to get away with pretending to be anti-Europe for 30 years despite being pro-Europe. They'll do so again. As I have said umpteen times and someone has just said above, Labour's leadership will make them unelectable.'"
What about the Lib Dem vote? I can't believe anyone will fall for whatever they say again and I don't see antone who voted Lib Dem last time but not in 2015 as defecting to the Tories.
Where I live in a marginal seat , two way fight (UKIP is nowhere) the Lib Dems should be toast whereas last time IIRC they affected the result letting the Tory in.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"UKIP will probably take votes of all parties. To say they will only take votes from the Tories is simplistic. '" They will take hugely from the Tories compared to everyone else. Massively. There are very few who voted for Gordon Brown in 2010 whose concerns about Cameron are now solved by UKIP. There aren’t many who voted for Nick Clegg in 2010 who wont vote for them again because the Lib Dems haven’t gone far enough to the right.
Quote To dismiss peoples genuine concerns about Europe / . Immigration as nonsense is a very wrong.'" I don’t dismiss peoples genuine concerns about Europe and Immigration. Lynton Crosbys dog-whistle isn’t however a representation of genuine concerns.
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