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| Quote ="IR80"Says your jaundiced straw polling?'"
You are probably the best argument against a comprehensive education system that I have come across.
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| Quote ="Cronus"The Tories will win the most seats as long as they don't decide this is a good time to roll out unpopular policies like they did in 2017, and as long as Corbyn carries on looking so ridiculous by being all shouty and fake happy smiley. He looked embarrassingly uncomfortable and out of character today.
The Brexit Party and UKIP should realise they're not going to achieve a no deal outcome and probably won't win any seats, and by contesting Tory seats and splitting the leave vote they are only increasing the likelihood of a second referendum. Their best move would be to stand aside and support Boris.
Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens can fight over the remain vote.'"
Not too sure how it will go but the signs are that the Tories are going to win most seats.
As for Labour et al fighting for the remain vote, think Boris could be in for a nasty surprise. From personnel experience, amongst my leave voting friends and relatives, very few can bring themselves to vote conservative.
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| This will not be a Tory walk over it will be more contested than people think. Labour have policies that are attractive on the face of it - the idea that simply taxing the rich will support it all makes no sense. The biggest asset the Tories have is Corbyn - last election he was an unknown face and he was up against May who was by far the worst leader/campaigner the Tories have ever had. His impact will not be as positive as it was in 2017.
Labour's Brexit policy is also an issue - how can you agree to negotiate a deal and then campaign against it? It can never be a credible deal. They have consistently blocked Brexit which will not sit well.
The other issue I see for Labour is the number of prominent women - this is not a sexist comment - Abbott, Thornbury, Long-Bailey, Angela Eagle, Dawn Butler - these all come with baggage that will be exposed in an election run up. The less said about Jess Phillips the better
We haven't mentioned Anti-Semitism.
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| Quote ="Cronus"The Tories will win the most seats as long as they don't decide this is a good time to roll out unpopular policies like they did in 2017, and as long as Corbyn carries on looking so ridiculous by being all shouty and fake happy smiley. He looked embarrassingly uncomfortable and out of character today.
The Brexit Party and UKIP should realise they're not going to achieve a no deal outcome and probably won't win any seats, and by contesting Tory seats and splitting the leave vote they are only increasing the likelihood of a second referendum. Their best move would be to stand aside and support Boris.
Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens can fight over the remain vote.'"
Brexit Party will gain a number of seats in this election I would think. Down to the fact that Leave voters who vote Labour will switch to BP just to avoid voting Conservative. Especially in your South Yorkshire/North East seats.
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| Quote ="tomrhodes28"Brexit Party will gain a number of seats in this election I would think. Down to the fact that Leave voters who vote Labour will switch to BP just to avoid voting Conservative. Especially in your South Yorkshire/North East seats.'"
I think the Brexit party could do well in the North - they have the same problem as Labour swop Corbyn for Farage.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I think the Brexit party could do well in the North - they have the same problem as Labour swop Corbyn for Farage.'"
I think that Corbyn is the root of Labours problems but, I'd take Corbyn over Farage all day long.
Farage is nothing more than a self publicist but, plenty have been taken in by his rhetoric.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"
The other issue I see for Labour is the number of prominent women - this is not a sexist comment - Abbott, Thornbury, Long-Bailey, Angela Eagle, Dawn Butler - these all come with baggage that will be exposed in an election run up. The less said about Jess Phillips the better.'"
Of course it is sexist. If they were men you wouldn't be grouping them together for criticism. It is the very definition of sexism.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Of course it is sexist. If they were men you wouldn't be grouping them together for criticism. It is the very definition of sexism.'"
No its not - the women are very prominent in the Labour front bench and they will get a lot of air time - the only Tories you will see are Leadsom and Patel - the rest are men. You will see a lot more females in the spotlight from Labour than you will the Tories.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I think that Corbyn is the root of Labours problems but, I'd take Corbyn over Farage all day long.
Farage is nothing more than a self publicist but, plenty have been taken in by his rhetoric.'"
Completely agree - Corbyn is a dreamer - he dreams of the UK being predominantly public state where the socialist-elite lord it over the rest.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise" You will see a lot more females in the spotlight from Labour than you will the Tories.'"
So why is that an issue? Why is it not a bigger issue that the Tories are run by a privileged male, white elite?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"No its not - the women are very prominent in the Labour front bench and they will get a lot of air time - the only Tories you will see are Leadsom and Patel - the rest are men. You will see a lot more females in the spotlight from Labour than you will the Tories.'"
This argument is mindblowing, even by your standards. There's something underlying that's utterly obviously wrong with it but you're completely blind to it.
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| Quote ="tigertot"So why is that an issue? Why is it not a bigger issue that the Tories are run by a privileged male, white elite?'"
OK
Diane Abbott - need we say anymore
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Eagle - the manifestation of Corbyn's hard line left wing foot soldier
Thornbury - divisive remainer who struggles to understand democracy
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These ladies will be trotted out at regular intervals by Jeremy - they will harm Labour. At least the Tory men understand how to project themselves to the media and can deflect the likes of Marr.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"This argument is mindblowing, even by your standards. There's something underlying that's utterly obviously wrong with it but you're completely blind to it.'"
Your one of those who calls anyone who criticises the EU a racist - everything you say needs to understood in the context of who is saying it
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"At least the Tory men understand how to project themselves to the media'"
Mark Francois knows how to project himself - like a truly annoying, unflushable turd. He nails it every time.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Mark Francois knows how to project himself - like a truly annoying, unflushable turd. He nails it every time.'"
Could not agree more - doubt you will see him at all nationally in this campaign - the Tories are far too switched on for that - Labour will be rolling Diane Abbott though - let's hope they ask her about education
Who was it that brought in tuition fees?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Your one of those who calls anyone who criticises the EU a racist - everything you say needs to understood in the context of who is saying it
'" I know evidence isn't a big thing for you but... examples please.
(I note you avoid engaging on the point).
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"OK
Diane Abbott - need we say anymore
Dawn Butler - plays the race card at every tweet similar to David Lamy
Eagle - the manifestation of Corbyn's hard line left wing foot soldier
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Long-Bailey - screechy looks like she has swallowed a lemon
Jess Phillips - shameless self promoter with nothing good to promote who said she wants to stab a Tory then cries wolf tears about language she doesn't like
These ladies will be trotted out at regular intervals by Jeremy - they will harm Labour. At least the Tory men understand how to project themselves to the media and can deflect the likes of Marr.'"
Even if there was something tangible in what you say the fact that you specifically identify these people as women shows just how backward you are. It's not just you, it's the Nazi supporting paper you read that portrays them as such, & you, & your gammon ilk, are so shallow you cannot recognise it. Tell me, why did you feel the need to identify your perceived defects in women & not a grouping of priviliged white men?
Quote Long-Bailey - screechy looks like she has swallowed a lemon'"
Even by your bigoted neanderthal standards that is odious. Nothing to do with her qualities as an MP or person, just her appearance.
Quote Jess Phillips - shameless self promoter'"
You support a self-obsessed, narcissist, woman abuser, serial liar as PM. Is Jess a bit rough for you? Do you feel threatened by extremely hard working women who balance a family life? Are you more comfortable with your golf club sexist bores?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"OK
Diane Abbott - need we say anymore
Dawn Butler - plays the race card at every tweet similar to David Lamy
Eagle - the manifestation of Corbyn's hard line left wing foot soldier
Thornbury - divisive remainer who struggles to understand democracy
Long-Bailey - screechy looks like she has swallowed a lemon
Jess Phillips - shameless self promoter with nothing good to promote who said she wants to stab a Tory then cries wolf tears about language she doesn't like
These ladies will be trotted out at regular intervals by Jeremy - they will harm Labour. At least the Tory men understand how to project themselves to the media and can deflect the likes of Marr.'"
I think that you may need to see someone.
How could you make a list of politicians "with issues" and not include Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Raab, Patel, in fact, most of the ERG and yet you choose only to select women from the Labour Party - unbelievable, even from you.
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| Labour have always hidden their media averse folk.
It used to be John Prescott, last time and probably this it will be Len McClusky.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Labour have always hidden their media averse folk.
It used to be John Prescott, last time and probably this it will be Len McClusky.'"
Why should McClusky be the voice of Labour, he isn't an MP. Despite what the Daily Mail tells you. Perhaps Dominic Cummins or Anthony Bamford should front the Tory campaign?
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| Quote ="tigertot"Even if there was something tangible in what you say the fact that you specifically identify these people as women shows just how backward you are. It's not just you, it's the Nazi supporting paper you read that portrays them as such, & you, & your gammon ilk, are so shallow you cannot recognise it. Tell me, why did you feel the need to identify your perceived defects in women & not a grouping of priviliged white men?
Even by your bigoted neanderthal standards that is odious. Nothing to do with her qualities as an MP or person, just her appearance.
You support a self-obsessed, narcissist, woman abuser, serial liar as PM. Is Jess a bit rough for you? Do you feel threatened by extremely hard working women who balance a family life? Are you more comfortable with your golf club sexist bores?'"
It all about opinions - it wouldn't do for us all to think the same - you are the same as Ghost - anyone who complains about the EU is a xenophobe, anyone who complains about Islam is a racist anyone who suggests a man in a dress is still a man is a transphobe give us a break. What could we say about Keith Vass that wouldn't offend you delicate sensitivities?
I was pointing out that Corbyn has surrounded himself with a host of women who are the face of the Labour party - in my view this is a weakness - not because they are women but because of their personality traits and how they present themselves in the media.
Out in the real world where we risk everything that in includes the roof over my head to employ people to make money and pay taxes to keep the likes of you in your cushy public sector job, don't find politicians intimidating quite the opposite a bunch of people that the vast majority have never had a job outside of politics/quangos/unions - has Corbyn ever worked in a job in the real world, same can be said of McDonald. How can these people tell businesses how to run - last week Corbyn was suggesting McDonalds pay a minimum of £15/hour - franchises would be bankrupt in 3 months. Asda made £810m on several billion of sales - it has 120k employees give them all £100 a week extra and the profits are wiped out and job losses start.
Hypocrites most of them - Phillips would stab a Tory yet cry wolf about the word humbug, Abbott wants to ban public schools yet sent her kids to public school - but in your world saying that makes you a woman hater. I have mentioned Vass he should jailed end of - sat on ethics committee another hypocrite.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"It all about opinions - it wouldn't do for us all to think the same - you are the same as Ghost - anyone who complains about the EU is a xenophobe, anyone who complains about Islam is a racist anyone who suggests a man in a dress is still a man is a transphobe give us a break. What could we say about Keith Vass that wouldn't offend you delicate sensitivities?
I was pointing out that Corbyn has surrounded himself with a host of women who are the face of the Labour party - in my view this is a weakness - not because they are women but because of their personality traits and how they present themselves in the media.
Out in the real world where we risk everything that in includes the roof over my head to employ people to make money and pay taxes to keep the likes of you in your cushy public sector job, don't find politicians intimidating quite the opposite a bunch of people that the vast majority have never had a job outside of politics/quangos/unions - has Corbyn ever worked in a job in the real world, same can be said of McDonald. How can these people tell businesses how to run - last week Corbyn was suggesting McDonalds pay a minimum of £15/hour - franchises would be bankrupt in 3 months. Asda made £810m on several billion of sales - it has 120k employees give them all £100 a week extra and the profits are wiped out and job losses start.
Hypocrites most of them - Phillips would stab a Tory yet cry wolf about the word humbug, Abbott wants to ban public schools yet sent her kids to public school - but in your world saying that makes you a woman hater. I have mentioned Vass he should jailed end of - sat on ethics committee another hypocrite.'"
I dont often agree with you but, you are right to point out the desire to pay the lowest paid staff £15 per hour.
IIRC, Corbyn also wants 16 year olds to be paid a minimum of £10.00 per hour.
Mind you, it could all be electioneering, something that we've seen plenty of from Johnson.
20 new hospitals ring any bells ?? or 20,000 ADDITIONAL police officers, both of which we know to be utter nonsense
(The 20,000 ADDITIONAL police officers cannot be achieved when you take account of the numbers retiring/leaving the force and the new hospitals I understand is now down to 5 or 6).
It seems like the Johnson lies and exaggerations during the leave campaign have just carried on.
Does he EVER tell the truth or hit his self proclaimed targets, I dont think so.
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| I haven’t seen any policy that advocates a £15 per hour minimum wage, I believe labours policy is £10 per hour.
Those like Sal who claim it’s not possible and will cause mass unemployment etc, these are exactly the same arguments used against bringing a minimum wage into start with, something the Conservative party unanimously opposed.
Sal you use Asda as an example, they are owned by the Walmart family who have wealth of over £100billion, they can afford to pay staff a real living wage.
The likes of Asda employing people on minimum wage are essentially getting the tax payer to pay part of their employees wages, as they claim benefits in order to survive despite working full time.
Why should the tax payer subsidise the wages paid out by billionaires? They need to be made to pay their employees a real living wage.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise" has Corbyn ever worked in a job in the real world, '"
Journalist, overseas aid worker in West Indies for two years then back to UK and a geography teacher before becoming trade union official for NUPE.
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| Quote ="Trevork52"Journalist, overseas aid worker in West Indies for two years then back to UK and a geography teacher before becoming trade union official for NUPE.'"
So it's a no then
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