I do apologise, I thought u said




Then again I must admit I am shattered, having worked 13 hours today in order to keep my job and provide the tax revenue so that some non-work can squeeze another kid out and get more money for her smokes.......

1. Council rent rarely did. Especially in London with the GLC
2. Poll Tax wasn't social engineering. It was about what the Tories (and me for the record) considered fairness. Very simple, you pay in line with what you take. More people = more strain on resources e.g. more rubbish generated, more use of libraries etc

Nothing at all wrong with this imo.

I think it is you who needs to look up the definition of social engineering.

Sorry, I thought I'd included an all in that sentence. It was meant to read

Why is it you and your ilk always think that all these families have set out to live on benefits and milk the system

To be fair if you look through we haven't we have kept to the topic which is anything over 26k is no way ho say if child benefit is included in that then tough for them 26k is more then enough to bring up a child do you agree or not.

I didn't want this argument with a fellow black and white and on our board i agree with alot you say but it is time to get tough on people that take the in our society. I scraped by for over a year, some of my friends will tell you on here at my own business there wasn't a lot of work in Hull i was way under the bread line nearly lost my house i didn't claim once because i shouldn't of got myself into that position and i was determined to pull myself out of it (these footballers don't know what struggling is and depression)

I will not here after been a lot worse off then most for a period of my life that 26k is not enough it is an absolute joke people think they have a right to be looked after and im sorry they don't. You get out of life what you put in but it took me to go right to the bottom before i could come back up again i now travel everyday to Leeds to work. I work most weekends also still doing my work i did before but it wasn't busy enough in Hull for what i did some i became full time employed again also. The work is out there if you want it !!

Of course it isn't "all", there are of course geniune cases (and I have absolutely no problem supporting them).

There are, however, way too many scroungers who choose not to work.

And of course we have jobs for them to go into once we've slashed benefits? at the last count there was 500k vacancies (your figure) and 2.68m out of work.

no if we let people go as well then we have cracked it.

3 Posts and we have solved it where do i sign?

Hey that GOLD went cheap didn't it !!!!!

You equate selling off some gold with gerrymandering?
Hardly in the same league.

That's why i said 26k is enough anything more then that isn't (why isn't this sinking in)

£26,000 for 3 kids is 722.22 per kid per month you need more then that then they can get off there ar$e and get a job.

One kid could pay the mortgage one all the bills and you have 722.22p left to blow on what ever they want a month

Because they do, you are very naive, there are some that don't but the ones that do should be stripped of everything and there kids taken off them. I'd even make sure they couldn't have any more as well till they can prove to be responsible adults.

Well it isn't sinking in but it isn't me that is struggling.

LMFAO

I doubt any of us are struggling or we wouldn't have the internet, however the difference is what should we do about the takers you and coddy want to give them the world i want want them to work for a living.

See I'd like them to work for a living too (as I'm sure many of the families in that situation would) but we have a slight problem of 2.18m more people out of work than we do vacancies, even those desperate to get a job can't get one.

Got to keep up bud there is 800k of jobs that gives us 2 mill left, dont let anyone in for a year and let people who want to leave the country go where the hell they like booooooooooom we have sorted in a year !!

Now to keep my Scottish friends with us like one big happy family next thread .............

The 500k figure was provided by our pie munching friend.

Now I know you and your friend don't like answering this question but what do you do to encourage the workshy to get a job when even those desperate for work and find it?




Our friends who live in Scotland (and that is who will get a vote) are big enough to decide for themselves.

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Please point to where I have said anything of the kind.

I have no problem with targeting benefits cheats. I do have a serious problem with broad-brush, simple-fix "solutions" that do nothing to address a problem, yet seem to appease the narrow minded by lumping the majority good in with the tiny minority bad.

What an intelligent reply.

Not to mention the fact that our government is happy to target the poorest and most vulnerable in society in order to score a few cheap points with Daily Mail readers, yet somehow rather less comfortable in tackling the issue of big business dodging billions of pounds worth of tax.

You really don't get this economics thing do you BG?

If it were so easy to wave a magic wand, create jobs then EVERYONE would be doing it.

What you need to do is create the CONDITIONS to allow people to create jobs.

Remove bureaucracy, ensure inflation is low, ensure taxes are low, reward enterprise, penalise laziness.

i.e. entirely the OPPOSITE of what Labour did.

The current coalition is trying to get back to this by sorting out the mess that they inherited.

Even if there are no jobs, I don't see 2.68 million people volunteering to help people less fortunate than themselves via charities, in hospitals, etc in exchange for their assistance. Surely, that would be the decent thing to do?

One they have absolute power and influence over, the other little.

Not just big business, has Gideon brought his trust fund back to the UK yet?

You're still happy for other countries to take migrants from the UK?

So, double standards, then.



Ah, just think of all the revenues from North Sea gas that went to fund the scrapping of industry and the throwing of people and communities onto the scrapheap – and with that, the concomitant creation of welfare dependency.

What an investment that was.