So says our little right wing capitalist who can’t hack it in the private sector, but is first in line with his hand out for public sector work.



And I bet you don’t carry your own public liability insurance.

Some capitalist



Cloudy in ull to.

Worked from home today old bean. You're weirdly obsessed with that. It's still work you know - although avoiding rush hour is a bonus, lunch is cheap and working in your underwear is never a bad thing.



I see you again fail to answer any questions. Never mind. At your age and so stuck in your ways I'm sure it's hard to think critically and understand things from another perspective. Stick with your mantra "all immigration is wonderful and anyone questioning mass immigration are racists/xenophones/little Adolphs/fascists" (delete as appropriate - or keep them all. Might as well, that's what you lot sound like).

Not disputing that. But are you saying he wasn't communist and at times Leninist, Stalinist and a devotee of Marx? He was, as you should know.


I'm not sure why one conflates with the other, but ok.


The roots are a man with base communist ideals, even if he drifted from the Italian Communist Party. That much is reflected in much of the Ventotene Manifesto, clear for all to see. He was anti-fascist but also anti-pre-WW1 European aristocratic rule.

Besides, more relevant than bickering over the details of the roots of the EU, are where the EU and its member states will eventually end up. And that's what I disagree with.


Until the point you found yourself brainwashed by the 'progressive' EU agenda, probably yes.


Why would Wilzay know anything about me? He barely knows which end of his nose his face is at.

Now that the mist of bull is starting to clear away, is there anyone on here that believes we're going to be financially better off as a result of brexit? If so, what makes you think that way, and what caveats, if any, are attached to that belief?

Boris Johnson believes unless of course he is lying to himself because he has no problem doing so to the rest of us.

IF the UK's negotiators manage to secure a FTA without any financial contribution to the EU then, we will be better off, which is the very reason that the EU wont agree to one and despite the Tory's huge parliamentary majority, there will still be huge pressure on government form the range of business leaders, all of whom will want a decent/preferential deal for their sector.
One thing that really did make me chuckle was Grimsby, despite voting 70/30 in favour of "leave" asking for dispensation to protect it's fishing industry and associated businesses - you really couldn't make it up.
My message to them would be, you voted out and now you must live with the consequences.
The big losers here are of course the remain areas of N. Ireland and Scotland who, despite voting "remain", have to leave along with the rest of the UK.
Just like Austerity, we're all in it together - although like much of the Tory mantra, we know that that simply wasn't true.

An Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman walk into a pub; the Englishman didn't like it, so they all had to leave.

Yes because the Englishman was the only one with any brass!!

Sorry but, he just said that he had some but, in actual fact, his pockets were empty, just like the other promises that he'd made

Your waffling again



Possibly you were waffling to Wilzay when you described your transition from small flat to two up two down in Leigh



Can’t be bothered digging your post out



So your not the wealthy Tory you big yourself up to be, just another little ten bob Tory wannabe , door to door salesperson type

Har har, can’t argue with that, it’s cos the Englishman has avoided his taxes

A bit more insight from you there regards your “work”, but I suppose sitting in your Y-fronts , in front of your PC, on the dodgy cam to cam websites does help draw your clientele in,



And I see you have added ageism to your growing list of attributes lol.

Brains beats claymores everytime

Why, did it have Polish bar staff?

No it was called the Tusk arms

Unfortunately the pub was far from complete. Boris the landlord swears that it's been complete since the end of January. However, hes recently changed his beer & spirits supplier and no contracts are yet in place with the new one - who has only ever made a few pints of home brew.

There's one thing I can guarantee. Just as the left are accused of saying "Socialism has never worked because it's never been done properly", the Brexit diehards on the right, if not happy by this time next year, will be saying "Brexit could have worked, it just wasn't done properly", despite the fact there are a multitude of outcomes on every shade of the political spectrum. Looking at the extreme ends of the spectrum, I don't see how the same vehicle can be used to achieve a socialist utopia or a capitalist Singapore-on-Thames.

But we are FREE! and sovereign again. Or at least will be, once we escape from the jackbooted shackles of membership of: The Council of Europe (nice flag, though!), the UN, NATO, the Commonwealth, ISO, CITES, WTO (oops, Donald has already killed that one), OECD (will probably drop out of that as income and GDP fall), IMF (might need that soon), OSCE, Interpol, G7, G20, ILO, IAEA, ICRC, WIPO, and of course FIFA, UEFA and the ICC. THEN we will be free.

This is true, and explains why it will be divisive. But it also contains the potential for continued Tory rule through re-invention, which has been one of the unique factors of this current administration: Theresa May was able to present herself as a break with the Cameron/Osborne era and Boris was able to present himself as a usurper breaking the 'establishment' of May/Hammond and so on.

If Boris goes down the road of trade liberalisation, Singapore-on-Thames approach, and it goes wrong, then as well as the critique from Labour there is the potential for right wing Brexiters to emerge in the Tory party with a Trumpian approach: we should have a trade strategy that puts Britain first, willing to use tariffs and subsidies.

If we go down the 'red Tory' approach, and it goes wrong, then the Singapore-on-Thamesers will reappear and say why on earth did we have a Tory government messing around with things like subsidising failing industries, using energy price caps, state run parts of the rail network and a minimum wage? We need to roll all that kind of nonsense away and have a deregulated, low tax Singapore on Thames.

Something had to be done about Northern given its performance, its location and all the seats the Tories won in the North - it will not be in public ownership for long and I don't see a full scale re-nationalisation ala Corbyn - do you?

Minimum wage has been going up annually since the Tories came into power in 2010 so Boris is not doing anything that previous regimes haven't been doing - its a big hike this time 6.5%!!

The Tories inherited a mess from the last Labour government and something needed to be done - we all knew the mess was so bad it would take many years of belt-tightening to put it right. Nobody - other than Hammond - liked austerity so as soon as it could loosened it has been. The investment seems to be going into existing public services e.g. NHS, Education and Police - I don't see a call from the Tories to re-nationalise utilities, trains, post etc - I don't loosening of trade union legislation, I don't see free broadband, free home insulations, closing of public schools and I haven't see an increase in top earners tax rates etc.

Maybe I have missed something?

You were doing fine up until that third paragraph and then out came the old nonsense about Labour.

I think you find that the problem in 2008 was called the global financial crisis not the Labour financial crisis. You'll also, with a bit research, find that Labours borrowing leading up to 2008 was not excessive and that the head of the Bank of England contirmed that Labour were not at fault.

I never said Labour caused the issues, what I said was the coalition inherited a mess?

Fair enough.

Quote ="Sal Paradise" Maybe I have missed something?'" Don’t think so. Here’s the key points from the manifesto. https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan Get Brexit Done, obviously. Increased spending on some public services, while controlling debt (‘controlling’ in this context may or may not be defined in the main document, I cba to check) and not raising income tax, VAT or National Insurance. No rain on bank holidays. The point is, they haven’t said very much about how they want to go about ‘unleashing Britain’s potential’. Not only is there no real detail, there’s not even a broad vision that goes beyond ‘confidence’ and ‘rising to challenges’. Maybe we’ll identify synergies to achieve some efficiencies and create prosperity. tbf, i’m fine with a degree of pragmatism and i’m not demanding a Johnsonian ideology. I’m just curious as to 1. What they’re going to do and how, and 2. Whether they know themselves yet. What model do you think they should be looking at as the UK remodels itself?

Quote ="Sal Paradise" Maybe I have missed something?'" Don’t think so. Here’s the key points from the manifesto. https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan Get Brexit Done, obviously. Increased spending on some public services, while controlling debt (‘controlling’ in this context may or may not be defined in the main document, I cba to check) and not raising income tax, VAT or National Insurance. No rain on bank holidays. The point is, they haven’t said very much about how they want to go about ‘unleashing Britain’s potential’. Not only is there no real detail, there’s not even a broad vision that goes beyond ‘confidence’ and ‘rising to challenges’. Maybe we’ll identify synergies to achieve some efficiencies and create prosperity. tbf, i’m fine with a degree of pragmatism and i’m not demanding a Johnsonian ideology. I’m just curious as to 1. What they’re going to do and how, and 2. Whether they know themselves yet. What model do you think they should be looking at as the UK remodels itself?

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