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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Like the opposite of Brexit, where something is voted in and we all take a hit.
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Can't work out whose the ventriloquist and whose the dummy in you two.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"That would explain a lot about you because it was the Nottinghamshire miners who believed Thatcher and became her enablers, how did that end up. How many pits survived in the Nottinghamshire area and what happened to the union they started with the governments help. They were sold down the river for believing she actually cared.
I would ask why were the government so insistent on not putting current EU employment law into U.K. law like they said they would. If you think it is to make them stronger then you are more a fool than I already think you are.'"
It was the idiot that is Scargill that enabled Maggie
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"That would explain a lot about you because it was the Nottinghamshire miners who believed Thatcher and became her enablers, how did that end up. How many pits survived in the Nottinghamshire area and what happened to the union they started with the governments help. They were sold down the river for believing she actually cared.
I would ask why were the government so insistent on not putting current EU employment law into U.K. law like they said they would. If you think it is to make them stronger then you are more a fool than I already think you are.'"
None of the pits survived
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| Quote ="chissitt"Can't work out whose the ventriloquist and whose the dummy in you two.'"
Maybe you need to look in the mirror for the answer
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Maybe you need to look in the mirror for the answer
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Not sure how you work that out squire, if your looking for work they need a good double act at a circus down in Brighton, one of the clowns called Starmer brought the house down when he said we need to get our house in order for the next election, even you and your mate couldn't follow that.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Not sure how you work that out squire, if your looking for work they need a good double act at a circus down in Brighton, one of the clowns called Starmer brought the house down when he said we need to get our house in order for the next election, even you and your mate couldn't follow that.'"
Since Cilla Black passed away, they have been looking for a new matchmaker, you should apply.
Myself and Scarlett may share some of the same political views but, disappointingly for you, we dont know each other.
I know that you have some kind of unhealthy obsession with his private life but, bloody hell, this is becoming a little tiresome. Dont you think.
Enjoy your moment. Brexit is "done" and Boris is "in charge", what more could you possibly wish for
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I agree, although wind and solar aren't quite as "unpredictable" as you suggest.
As for nuclear, it's incredible that after so much time "we" havent been able to find a way of dealing with nuclear waste
China and India are a huge problem.
Despite being huge nations with over a billion people in each country, they are still "developing" nations and their thirst for energy is still growing quickly and it's difficult for countries like the US or Europe to tell them to cut their emissions and effectively try to "hold them back". The same, to a much lesser extent, applies to Africa.'"
This is a very good point
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Or the businesses wanting to give less or are you naive enough to believe that this government is not going to water down employment rights. The unions are actually probably more democratic and the reason many don’t like them is because they cannot be bullied unlike one individual worker.
I have seen where because of those that are part of a union negotiating better conditions and then people like you who like to criticise are happy to accept the benefits despite not contributing.
It’s a pity their pay awards are not handled the same way that those of business leaders are.'"
Given the current state of the labour market the idea that you could dilute employees T&Cs is a complete no runner. The idea that the Tories are going to dilute working conditions is a red herring from the left.
The unions would be useful organisations if they were able to concentrate on the job in hand working to improve workers opportunities. Unfortunately they see pushing the political ambitions as their prime objective. There is also an element of self interest for the union employees - look at Unite T&Cs for union employees. They also have a problem of a collective positioning i.e. they cannot deal with an individual issue without considering the impact on completely unrelated businesses. If a decision on one business would be ideal but set a negative precedence elsewhere the union will not support it.
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| I see the government did not want to make fire and rehire illegal preferring to allow the companies to carry on unchecked. I guess you are correct that they have no intentions to dilute worker’s rights.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I see the government did not want to make fire and rehire illegal preferring to allow the companies to carry on unchecked. I guess you are correct that they have no intentions to dilute worker’s rights.'"
There are 1.25m vacancies - I would suggest if firms want to retain decent staff the opposite will happen - increases in rates of pay Amazon starting is £11.50/hour - better benefits. The market will determine the level not the unions.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"There are 1.25m vacancies - I would suggest if firms want to retain decent staff the opposite will happen - increases in rates of pay Amazon starting is £11.50/hour - better benefits. The market will determine the level not the unions.'"
Most markets are shaped by regulations, to a large degree and for better or worse.
The Conservative Party has changed. It isn’t yet clear how permanently or exactly into what, but my instinct always to assume the worst of them. I mean, becoming UKIP has worked for them to this point but post-Brexit and without any clear plan vision or plan for what comes next, the capitalism red in tooth and claw wing of the party could emerge triumphant. Johnson is an intermission in political direction - the wonky shopping trolley described by Craig Oliver and Dominic Cummings.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Most markets are shaped by regulations, to a large degree and for better or worse.
The Conservative Party has changed. It isn’t yet clear how permanently or exactly into what, but my instinct always to assume the worst of them. I mean, becoming UKIP has worked for them to this point but post-Brexit and without any clear plan vision or plan for what comes next, the capitalism red in tooth and claw wing of the party could emerge triumphant. Johnson is an intermission in political direction - the wonky shopping trolley described by Craig Oliver and Dominic Cummings.'"
The basic principle of supply and demand works in most markets - even the public sector - you want to attract more nurses pay them more, burserys etc.
I think Johnson will survive as long as Labour have weak leadership - once Johnson goes the Tories will revert back to type Sunak-type.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"There are 1.25m vacancies - I would suggest if firms want to retain decent staff the opposite will happen - increases in rates of pay Amazon starting is £11.50/hour - better benefits. The market will determine the level not the unions.'"
That'll be the same "market" thats responsible for our chaotic railways and raw sewerage being discharged into our rivers.
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| Quote ="silver2"That'll be the same "market" thats responsible for our chaotic railways and raw sewerage being discharged into our rivers.'"
Are you suggesting the railways and the water supply were better when they were in public ownership?
A big issue with both are the legacy issues inherited from public ownership?
On the news this morning it was suggested in would cost between £150-600bn to put the water/sewage supply back to where it should be.
I am all for public ownership of key services - I am old enough to remember when it was all in public ownership and I would say be careful what you wish for
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"Are you suggesting the railways and the water supply were better when they were in public ownership?
A big issue with both are the legacy issues inherited from public ownership?
On the news this morning it was suggested in would cost between £150-600bn to put the water/sewage supply back to where it should be.
I am all for public ownership of key services - I am old enough to remember when it was all in public ownership and I would say be careful what you wish for'" But this is such a spurious, apples to oranges comparison.
How much money - from government and from fares - did we invest in the railways when they were in public ownership? They were starved for decades, we now pour billion upon billion into them with significantly higher fares and huge amounts are creamed off as profit for private enterprises. If we'd put the same amount into the privately-owned BR it would have made an amazing difference.
Look at DB, look at SNCF, look at FS and you'll see what properly-invested in, publicly-owned railway look like in terms of fares and network and reliability. The straw man of a desperately underfunded BR is almost irrelevant at this point.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"But this is such a spurious, apples to oranges comparison.
How much money - from government and from fares - did we invest in the railways when they were in public ownership? They were starved for decades, we now pour billion upon billion into them with significantly higher fares and huge amounts are creamed off as profit for private enterprises. If we'd put the same amount into the privately-owned BR it would have made an amazing difference.
Look at DB, look at SNCF, look at FS and you'll see what properly-invested in, publicly-owned railway look like in terms of fares and network and reliability. The straw man of a desperately underfunded BR is almost irrelevant at this point.'"
So you have confirmed my analysis thank you - as I said be careful what you wish for when you are all clamouring for a return to public ownership.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"So you have confirmed my analysis thank you - as I said be careful what you wish for when you are all clamouring for a return to public ownership.'"
I have no idea what you think you've proved but I travel thousands of miles a year on French and Italian railways and they are miles ahead of the railway services in the UK.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"I have no idea what you think you've proved but I travel thousands of miles a year on French and Italian railways and they are miles ahead of the railway services in the UK.'"
There's nothing shabby about being the third best railway in the world.
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| Having used the railways in countries like China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Holland, Germany, France and Scandinavia, I can honestly say the UK railways, and service is are light years behind these countries.
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| Quote ="Jack Burton"Having used the railways in countries like China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Holland, Germany, France and Scandinavia, I can honestly say the UK railways, and service is are light years behind these countries.'"
So given that you agree with Nod, that makes us the 12th best railway in the world, not to mention that it must make you 5 times as knowledgeable about railways as him
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| Quote ="Jack Burton"Having used the railways in countries like China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Holland, Germany, France and Scandinavia, I can honestly say the UK railways, and service is are light years behind these countries.'"
The safety record in the UK is excellent but, service and "quality" of trains is second class.
It doesn't help that projects like HS2 take forever to sort our and then costs spiral out of control.
We are certainly behind the main EU countries.
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| Quote ="Jack Burton"Having used the railways in countries like China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Holland, Germany, France and Scandinavia, I can honestly say the UK railways, and service is are light years behind these countries.'"
Given the travel restrictions I doubt you will have travelled on any of these trains recently - comments like this need to be put in context. I can't remember the last time I caught a train and it was late - I catch a train on an average three times a month. Nothing wrong with the longer distance trains or the trains that do Leeds Ilkley etc. Leeds to Manchester - they are a disgrace.
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| The issue with the trans pennine trains is that there isn't enough capacity to match the demand. Or that was the case before the pandemic.
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| My experience of rail travel has generally been pretty positive. Given that I’ve travelled a fair bit, I’m surprised how rarely I’ve used trains abroad now that I think about it.
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