Absolutely disgraceful, I'm sick of seeing young kids stabbed to death in this country.

On seeing the blurred picture of the murderer in today's paper is it time to talk about the elephant in the room?

Pull up a chair folks, this thread should be good.

Did anyone see any blue touch paper lying around?

Sad though it is, its nothing new.

And if there's a hint at racism (I haven't seen the photo) then its more likely to be psychotic behaviour, with or without recreational drug use thrown in, which affects all skin tones.

On a similar issue there was a brief news item yesterday about "a student" who was prosecuted for causing cruelty to a hamster, he basically fried a live one in a frying pan one night.

His excuse was that he "was so drunk that he was at the point of madness".

I'm not sure how drunk you have to be before you decide to fry a hamster for your supper, or whether its actually possible to drink enough alcohol in one evening to make yourself certified as mad, I've never managed it before and I've not heard of anyone else who has, but is it just a general impression that more people are drinking to the point of non-control of limbs and emotions than have ever done in living memory (yes, I know, hogarths images and all) ?

My point is its young lads in major cities, I'm with you on the psychotic behaviour but the issue needs to be addressed with knife crime I'm sick of it happening and every time it turns out to be some young lad aged 16-22 from a major city.

Well yes.

Not exclusively though, most murders are committed by someone known to the victim, but to murder someone in broad daylight who is a complete and random stranger does suggest an element of mental illness, its certainly not normal behaviour for sane young lads, even so-called "gang members".

You must be very unlucky, I've not seen a single one.



Which elephant would that be, then, and why do you call it that?

More to the point, what makes you think that you are the first person to see knife crime as a problem to be tackled? I do wish people like you would actually try to educate yourselves at least a little bit before pitching up with inflammatory innuendo. In fact, knife crime has for many years been extensively reported on, investigated, analysed etc. and the process is continuous. There are lots of people working on the issue and have been for years. The analysis isn't helped by your kind of bull.

Here, I'll even start you off:
[url=http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmhaff/112/11202.htmHome Affairs Committee - Seventh Report - Knife Crime[/url

Oh, btw the knifeman been has sectioned under the Mental Health Act. Is that your elephant I just saw slinking away?

They've just sectioned the guy. He was not previously known to mental health professionals in the city. He did not know the victim.

So I'd be interested to know what policy you'd like to see introduced that would address random psychotics stabbing people they have no previous connection with.

Someone has been sectioned, according to the latest news.

So what is, in this case, the "elephant in the room"?

You want to kill people who are mentally ill? Or just, perhaps, if they're mentally ill – with a swarthy complexion?

Read some actual history – the phrase 'there's nothing new under the sun' exists for a reason. Because there's nothing new under the sun. Any suggestion that 'nasty things' are somehow a modern invention or the result of immigration are absolute BS.

That's not to excuse anything. But the knee jerk brigade needs to learn how to engage its brain cell.

When did I mention anything about immigration?

I didn't say you did.

I suggested that you were referring to skin pigmentation. That is not a synonym for immigration.

Blimey: talk about giving the game away!



So anyway, what was "the elephant in the room"?

You could see on the CCTV footage that the assailant was suffering the sort of mental condition that would later see him sectioned, eh?

To be fair with the OP there is an elephant in the room and all you liberals are ignoring it. It does need sorting and the only solution is precogs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)

To be fair with the OP there is an elephant in the room and all you liberals are ignoring it. It does need sorting and the only solution is precogs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)

To conflate 2 threads, it's obvious that Kirkstallers solution for porn addiction should be applied here. If people are being stabbed on buses we should completely ban the sale of knives in any circumstances to anyone, and just to be on the safe side we should ban buses

Identify your elephant or fook off

This maybe?

The elephant in the room is the closure of many a secure mental health units across the country. In favour of more open door facilities. It's all fine and dandy when these individuals are taking their medication. But along with these less secure units, come lesser moderation and monitoring. It only takes somebody to feel like not taking their medication, and tragedies can happen.

Now this is an excellent point.

Care in the community was a disastrous policy. How many incidents like this have we seen in the years since?

Forget the colour of his skin and concentrate on the ultimate get-out clause - mental illness.

Denying mental illness while claiming Jesus spoke to you while you were cleaning out the rabbit hutch.

Just the average day for the lazy preacher.

Are you and jesus saying this guy wasn't mentally ill?

Well, what's the criteria for being mentally ill these days?

You tell me?
The insinuation that he wasn't, came from you, not me.

Problems with logical thought
A sense of unreality
Unusual or exaggerated beliefs about personal powers to understand meanings or influence events
Fear or suspiciousness of others or a strong nervous feeling
Uncharacteristic, peculiar behaviour
Developing irrational beliefs
Serious disturbances in perception (hallucinations)
Hearing and seeing things that others don't

That's just some symptoms of mental illness.

How about the belief somebody is sprawled out on a big fluffy cloud upsairs?
You've gotta be a bit cuckoo to swallow that one, surely?