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Quote ="Durham Giant"You are Mixing me up with someone else.
I could not be more pro vaccine. But vaccines are not going to work by themselves.
Masks in enclosed spaces , working from home got those that can. Not allowing free flow of people in and out of the UK are other things that should go hand in hand with it.
. I have a friend working in Cambridge on vaccines and all he is working on is potential viruses that may break out of vaccine.
It is those like yourself who either. Through libertarian principles, not understanding the science around vaccines , head in the sand dreamers or incompetent Tory cheerleaders who will be leading us back into a mess.
Firstly no one knows how long vaccine protection lasts.
This from Jerusalem
[i[uThe Covid vaccine may be losing its efficacy in older people, researchers in Israel have warned, as the Delta variant drives a growing fourth wave in the country.
The monitoring team at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem reported that about 90 per cent of new confirmed cases in the over-fifties group were people who had been fully vaccinated. “It seems there’s a reduced efficiency of the vaccine, at least for part of the population,” the team said.
The researchers added, however, that there is need for further analysis before any definite conclusion on the vaccine’s efficacy can be reached. Israel has been using the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.
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Source. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covi ... -g2td6qc60
Surely it would be prudent to maintain some bio security measures in place until we understand more about this ? Such as wearing masks in shops and on public transport.
Or maybe await until people have had the booster ?
Why open nightclubs now for everyone and then say you have to prove Covid free or vaccinated in September. ?
At the current time every scientist in the world is watching Britain as a massive science experiment.
Israel which opened up 3 weeks ago is now issuing restrictions again.
As for my staff all the staff have full PPE on every visit. Mask visor gloves and apron
Being part of the public sector and essential workers who have to do visits not much else I can do'"
What's really thrown a spanner in the works is the R0 of the Delta variant. It's up around 8 at the highest value I've seen, compared to the UK variant (which rapidly outcompeted the Wuhan variant) which is 2-3. It's spreading like wildfire amongst young unvaccinated people who really could have been vaccinated before restrictions were lifted. My guess is that the strategy here is to let the disease run it's course through the unvaccinated youth and combine that disease acquired immunity with the vaccine immunity to protect everyone. But I can't help thinking that we were so close to doing the job properly but to not react to the R0 of Delta is a huge miscalculation. This feels very much like a political decision, or one made by scientists who have been under immense pressure for 18 months solid to walk a tightrope. |
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Quote ="Durham Giant"You are Mixing me up with someone else.
I could not be more pro vaccine. But vaccines are not going to work by themselves.
Masks in enclosed spaces , working from home got those that can. Not allowing free flow of people in and out of the UK are other things that should go hand in hand with it.
. I have a friend working in Cambridge on vaccines and all he is working on is potential viruses that may break out of vaccine.
It is those like yourself who either. Through libertarian principles, not understanding the science around vaccines , head in the sand dreamers or incompetent Tory cheerleaders who will be leading us back into a mess.
Firstly no one knows how long vaccine protection lasts.
This from Jerusalem
[i[uThe Covid vaccine may be losing its efficacy in older people, researchers in Israel have warned, as the Delta variant drives a growing fourth wave in the country.
The monitoring team at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem reported that about 90 per cent of new confirmed cases in the over-fifties group were people who had been fully vaccinated. “It seems there’s a reduced efficiency of the vaccine, at least for part of the population,” the team said.
The researchers added, however, that there is need for further analysis before any definite conclusion on the vaccine’s efficacy can be reached. Israel has been using the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.
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Source. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covi ... -g2td6qc60
Surely it would be prudent to maintain some bio security measures in place until we understand more about this ? Such as wearing masks in shops and on public transport.
Or maybe await until people have had the booster ?
Why open nightclubs now for everyone and then say you have to prove Covid free or vaccinated in September. ?
At the current time every scientist in the world is watching Britain as a massive science experiment.
Israel which opened up 3 weeks ago is now issuing restrictions again.
As for my staff all the staff have full PPE on every visit. Mask visor gloves and apron
Being part of the public sector and essential workers who have to do visits not much else I can do'"
What's really thrown a spanner in the works is the R0 of the Delta variant. It's up around 8 at the highest value I've seen, compared to the UK variant (which rapidly outcompeted the Wuhan variant) which is 2-3. It's spreading like wildfire amongst young unvaccinated people who really could have been vaccinated before restrictions were lifted. My guess is that the strategy here is to let the disease run it's course through the unvaccinated youth and combine that disease acquired immunity with the vaccine immunity to protect everyone. But I can't help thinking that we were so close to doing the job properly but to not react to the R0 of Delta is a huge miscalculation. This feels very much like a political decision, or one made by scientists who have been under immense pressure for 18 months solid to walk a tightrope. | |
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| Quote ="DHM"Good news, not so good news week.
Not so good news: vaccine breakthrough data compared to initial correlates of protection from Oxford Uni is starting to show that Covid can infect most people who are vaccinated, only 20-25% have sufficient neutralizing antibody response to prevent actual infection.
Good news: Vast majority have an overall antibody response that protects and prevents symptomatic infection (you are infected but don't realise). That particular antibody response can be accurately measured and correlates with severity (or lack of) symptoms. Hardly anyone vaccinated will show severe symptoms. Also it does appear that vaccinated individuals are less likely to infect others due to the lack of viral load developing.
Personally I see this as a warning that "herd immunity" will not be attained with this virus and it will become endemic like the other circulating coronas. I will be continuing to wear masks in shops etc. and take basic precautions, I think everyone should do that for some time for the time being. I don't believe another lockdown makes any sense, but we should all consider basic safe working practices where practical. Would be helpful if the young people dithering got vaccinated as well. It will definitely reduce the spread. Maybe free pizza will do the trick
More good news: studies are underway to test the best booster options. This includes mixing vaccines. One piece of data shows that 2x AZ + a booster from an RNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna) gives a really strong response. I have had AZ, would be happy to get Pfizer as a booster.'"
Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit |
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He is one of the scientists!
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| Quote ="Poky"Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit'"
Says the ignoramus who can’t even spell Poki correctly 
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But at least Dirty Boris has made sure his Moll has beeb double jabbed with a booster to, dirty old man |
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Talk here (NZ) that Australian (NSW anyway) Kids may not return to their classrooms until January 2022. Cases on the rise and they are well behind the 8 ball (as we are) in terms of vaccinations, so I can see that they will lock down for a month or longer and then vaccinate as many people as possible before going down the UK herd strategy come December....not sure where that leaves us in New Zealand, but I doubt we will have open borders, vaccinated or not, for at least another year.
I think we have 5 years of people being sensible before we will have a chance of normality.....wearing masks, hygiene, distancing etc.....Kids will develop immunity first......this will continue to kill old people but like the flu jab it'll drop the numbers....
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| Quote ="Poky"Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit'"
All the information I quoted I saw last week. I wasn't making "points" I was sharing information. For example the data for the Pfizer booster was published in the Lancet on the 29th July.
As a published author on Covid I think I qualify to have an opinion also. |
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