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| Quote ="Cronus"It doesn't seem so bearing in mind as of a few days ago we had 2,400 spare capacity in critical care across the system, and 2,600 yesterday. The 'Nightingale' hospitals alone have been an astounding achievement - actually largely implemented by the army, who did most of the planning and project management.
All ignored by the left, who only a few weeks ago were praising China for building a similar hospital in similar time.
That - again - doesn't point to a problem with supply, but distribution. A massive upsurge in demand by across the NHS and care systems (i.e., people like you) meant the existing network simply did not have the capacity or logistical capability to cope. That's why the army has been assisting with delivery and experts in high-demand rapid distribution such as Amazon Logistics have been brought in.
That said, I don't deny there have been some problem with supply. As I'm sure you're aware many billions of items were purchased by the public and other nations across the world in only a matter of weeks. Then, some of the main producers of PPE and other ICU equipment - China, India, S Korea, Japan etc were not only in lockdown, but most if not all blocked exports of these equipment in their own interests. Even Switzerland stopped exports. Google it, the information is out there. You ignore these facts.
Yes, the NHS should rightly receive priority over everything else. With respect - people going in to the NHS are sick and require immediate medical care, and in the current system those going into hospital are ALL urgently sick. In the care system of course there are the vulnerable and elderly, but not all are necessarily sick. Obviously - that's not to say the care system should be denied PPE so don't jump to that conclusion, but there have to be priorities and when there's a global emergency not everyone is going to have everything they need at every point in time.
Believe me, I'm not blase about the risks exposure to CV19 pose. People in my circle are dying, my family has been in near total isolation for nearly 5 weeks.'"
I'm not in opposition to any of what you say. I am however critical of the way that allocation and distribution was managed; for all the logistical expertise that was apparently brought to bear on this, there was still a failure to deliver what was promised to care settings - including the NHS. And that failure is even more remarkable if stock was sitting in centrally controlled warehouses, but not being delivered where it was needed.
I expect the supply to improve by next week - I am told that China has lifted export restrictions, so that will make a big difference; the issue now is profiteering and hoarding - some suppliers are charging 3-400% more for items of PPE, and some large providers are stockpiling. My own relatively modest order, which arrived on Friday, was lifted from the order of a 'fellow' provider, who had ordered 1 million of each item - I asked my supplier to take my order from it, and tell their CEO to contact me if he had an issue.
And for the record - this is nothing to do with left or right; I'm in a front line business, and trying to reflect the reality of what my 1800 key workers are facing. I would be equally critical of any failure, regardless what colour government was in charge. | | |
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Yeah, it seems like the "cliff edge" prediction was right too ?
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Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
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Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
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Quote ="King Street Cat"Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 8089369601'"
As requested.
I remember his appearance and he was absolutely correct. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was well aware of the effect of CV19 around the world from the get-go as I was dealing with the effects of travel/border restrictions every day and watching as country by country the situation deepened.
It's worth recalling that even in early March, many eminent scientists still viewed this as another SARS/MERS - nasty but possible to contain and eliminate fairly successfully. We easily forget this is a new virus. Antigen and antibody tests barely existed, certainly not in large number, and those that did were often not accurate enough. The nature of the virus was largely unknown. We didn't know exactly what it did or exactly how infectious it was - something underestimated globally due to the fact people can be shedding whilst asymptomatic, unlike SARS/MERS. There's still a lot about it we don't know.
The West hadn't experienced SARS/MERS, unlike many countries in Asia, who therefore had responses and facilities in place for precisely such an event. Leaping into action wasn't as simple for us. That said, I've said before we were too late locking down and we could have done more.
I have no particular love for Fiona Bruce but you're seeing something that's not there. She simply looks at her notes and the audience and gives a little sigh. It's certainly not aimed at the mention of care homes. |
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Quote ="King Street Cat"Anyone been looking back at the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events?
He basically said exactly what would happen on Question Time back in early March, and was of course ridiculed, especially when he was found to have Labour connections.
Many right wing social media accounts jumped straight on him. One described him as a 'loony hardcore Corbynista lefty', so of course, the smears gained traction. There was the usual anti-semitic smear, various pastings in the tabloids, and calls not to politicise the situation. They also got him on the old 'labour activist' smear when he appeared on Panorama.
Anyway, turns out he was bang on.
It's an interesting rabbit hole to disappear down. Start with Question Time on March 12, then look at social media and news articles from after the show. This article from a month later gives a decent roundup of what happened, there's a clip from his appearance on QT, too.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/p ... ssion=true
Here are some tweets from the show on March 12. Have a look at some of the replies. It's 'the public have had enough of experts' in a nutshell. Also check out Fiona Bruce's face of disdain when he mentions care homes in the second tweet's video.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 9689631745
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiont ... 8089369601'"
As requested.
I remember his appearance and he was absolutely correct. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was well aware of the effect of CV19 around the world from the get-go as I was dealing with the effects of travel/border restrictions every day and watching as country by country the situation deepened.
It's worth recalling that even in early March, many eminent scientists still viewed this as another SARS/MERS - nasty but possible to contain and eliminate fairly successfully. We easily forget this is a new virus. Antigen and antibody tests barely existed, certainly not in large number, and those that did were often not accurate enough. The nature of the virus was largely unknown. We didn't know exactly what it did or exactly how infectious it was - something underestimated globally due to the fact people can be shedding whilst asymptomatic, unlike SARS/MERS. There's still a lot about it we don't know.
The West hadn't experienced SARS/MERS, unlike many countries in Asia, who therefore had responses and facilities in place for precisely such an event. Leaping into action wasn't as simple for us. That said, I've said before we were too late locking down and we could have done more.
I have no particular love for Fiona Bruce but you're seeing something that's not there. She simply looks at her notes and the audience and gives a little sigh. It's certainly not aimed at the mention of care homes. | |
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| Quote ="Cronus"I have no particular love for Fiona Bruce but you're seeing something that's not there. She simply looks at her notes and the audience and gives a little sigh. It's certainly not aimed at the mention of care homes.'"
I don't think she's showing any targetted disdain towards care homes. Remember this is nearly 2 weeks before lockdown. She just looks like she's thinking, "here we go again! He's banging on about care homes now". I just find that particular clip very prescient now we know the extent to which it has ripped through care homes. | | | |
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| Quote ="Cronus"As requested.
I remember his appearance and he was absolutely correct. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I was well aware of the effect of CV19 around the world from the get-go as I was dealing with the effects of travel/border restrictions every day and watching as country by country the situation deepened.
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You could always do a cummings and predict it coming, by doctoring your posts, when it was already upon us. | | | |
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