I agree Gary. Liz Kendall and the Thick Of It Labour types are still stuck mentioning wealth creation as one of the major issues. For me, it goes without saying that ANY government has in its interests wealth creation. There is NO elected government that has not had this as part of their manifesto. With Labour though they don't seem able to say that along with the progressive policies. It's like their stuck on a record of austerity. They have let the Tories dictate the discussions since they went into opposition.

Miliband got elected on the back of challenging that but as soon as he was suited and booted for the leadership all that talk disappeared, replaced by the kind of talk that comes from letting opinion polls decide what you do. Corbyn knows what the vision is. He's not talking about nationalising everything, thrusting up taxes to 80% etc. He's talking about stop wasting money on defence, sorting out tax evasion by multinationals, public services that provide more than a bare minimum and a country led by respect for the people that live in it. Whether he's got the intellectual clout to compete in debates I don't know. In addition, he's probably going to hampered by the Blairites, who think the way to win elections is to be caffeine free Tories who steer away from the difficult discussions because they have no conviction in changing anything.

Do you also find self loathing therapeutic as well as despising individuals less fortunate than yourself?

You mean running their own business?

You said people should get off their backsides and do something to change their situation.
Does that include working together with others to improve many peoples working lives?

Where is the like button?

The thing is, if all these people "got off their backsides, and achieved" then the world would essentially grind to a halt. Who would stack the shelves in the supermarket? Who would load the luggage on to the planes at the airport? Who would process the invoices for all the "achievers"?
What would happen if developing commodity exporting countries, and the workers within those countries working for peanuts because they don't feel they have another choice suddenly realised that they're being bent over, and actually started charging a more appropriate price for their labour, commodities?

The fact is, big business needs a significant amount of unskilled labour to pick from to exploit. It needs a high level of poverty, and corruption in developing countries to keep their import costs down.
Governments need people on welfare to buy votes. Big business needs government, to be able the pass legislation that favours their interests.
There're are definitely people in society who are parasites, and exploit the system, but many of those people are the ones who designed the system in the first place.